15:00:41 #startmeeting oVirt Weekly Sync Meeting 15:00:41 Meeting started Wed Nov 23 15:00:41 2011 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:54 #meetingname oVirt Weekly Sync Meeting 15:00:54 The meeting name has been set to 'ovirt_weekly_sync_meeting' 15:00:58 karamatronic - gratz! 15:01:01 #topic Anyone here? :) 15:01:06 * aglitke is here 15:01:09 * rbergeron looks around for participants 15:01:23 hey aglitke :) 15:01:35 * yzaslavs is here 15:01:44 * jumper45 is here 15:01:57 * sgordon is here 15:02:03 is here 15:02:07 * masayag is here 15:02:08 * karmatronic is here 15:02:24 Wow. Very nice :) 15:02:36 * itamar1 in 15:02:39 * rgolan is here 15:03:04 rbergeron - they are here still on the engine-core weekly meeting (over intercall)... 15:03:21 * jumper45 doubling up on meetings!! 15:03:22 #info aglitke, yzaslavs, jumper45, sgordon, gargya, masayag, karmatronic, itamar1, rgolan are here 15:03:25 ;) 15:03:34 itamar1: ahh 15:03:49 rbergeron - just ending now 15:03:57 okay, well, i'll get started, and we'll see who comes :) 15:03:59 itamar1: thanks 15:04:09 #topic Today's Agenda 15:04:43 A few things on today's agenda that I put in, and feel free to pipe up if you have something: 15:05:13 #info Press release status, Upcoming Event planning, First release/release date feedback, ftp/repo setup status, are on the agenda for today. 15:05:28 Anyone else? :) 15:05:52 Okay, I'll move ahead - it sounds like people may be filtering in slowly 15:06:00 * oschreib1 is here 15:06:02 Also, it's turkey week here in teh US, so I think a lot of folks are out. 15:06:06 core meeting just ended 15:06:25 #info oschreib1 is present 15:06:30 #topic Press release status 15:07:14 #info Robyn heard back from Kerri this morning - we are still waiting on press release approval from Intel and Cisco at this point. 15:07:51 So she's still pursuing that, and I'm hoping she'll have something early next week. This week is kind of a bad week for getting things done here which require chains of approval because inevitably someone is out all week. :\ 15:08:03 Also, to answer Ryan's question from last week... 15:08:20 #info When we do have a Final Draft that has been approved by everyone, we'll send it out to the board list for everyone's information. 15:08:42 #info rbergeron to respond on-list to Ryan's question from last week re: getting to see the final draft. 15:08:50 I think that wraps that up. Any questions? 15:09:00 * rbergeron will move on, then 15:09:07 #topic Upcoming Event Planning 15:09:31 #info Robyn looked into getting a table at FOSDEM, and we can do that, but we need volunteers who are willing to booth all week. 15:09:52 Does anyone else have any event stuff they want to talk about? 15:10:07 Meetups, conferences, etc? :) 15:10:58 nothing, nothing? 15:11:06 none for me 15:11:12 i'll be talking about oVirt at a cloud computing conference in darmstadt, germany next week 15:11:24 gargya: Awesome. Do you have everything you need for that? 15:11:31 yes 15:11:49 we're looking at FOSDEM 15:11:56 itamar1: from what angle? 15:11:57 i have the ovirt part "embedded" in a larger present 15:12:12 managing kvm with open source and ibm poducts 15:12:19 Do we have a repo of oVirt presentations for this purpose? 15:12:22 products 15:12:32 rbergeron: still trying to figure out 15:12:34 #info Tony Gargya (IBM) talking about oVirt in a larger presentation at a cloud computing conf. in germany next week 15:12:41 itamar1: it's too late for presentations, but I can get a table still 15:12:51 I haven't found the overview one (from the workshop) yet 15:12:52 itamar1: unless someone submitted a preso before the deadline 15:13:06 aglitke: I'll see if I can find that today and send that to the list. I'm not sure who has it 15:13:19 rbergeron, thanks! 15:13:19 rbergeron: they are checking for session. looking at devel rooms. 15:13:21 #action rbergeron to track down the overview presentation from the oVirt workshop and send to list 15:13:47 itamar1: cool, can you keep us up to date on how that goes? 15:13:53 rbergeron: no preso prior to deadline - didn't hear about it till too late. 15:14:01 #info itamar1 looking into FOSDEM re: sessions, looking at devel rooms 15:14:21 aglitke: I know we linked some of the presentations into the worshop wiki page, but not sure if that's one of them. 15:14:39 Last time I checked it was not there 15:14:45 Seemed only about half were 15:14:48 aglitke: okay. I'll see what I can find 15:14:59 perfect 15:15:03 BTW, the ovirt workshop wiki is currently also missing Livnats pres on the ovirt engine 15:15:08 rbergeron: also considering hosting people in TLV for hands-on lab/help/feature development/design/brainstorming/etc in february with the devel team if thre is interest from other parties to come over for a week with a group of the maintainers 15:15:17 aglitke: would you like to send mail to the list asking people to add their presentations if they haven't done so, and add in the wiki link? :) it would be nice to have them all there 15:15:40 itamar1: oh, wow. Do you know when exactly, or still looking into it? 15:16:01 itamar1: I know we're also doing the RHT Dev Conf in Brno in Feb. 15:16:08 #action aglitke to send an email to the list to request remaining oVirt workshop presentations 15:16:27 #info itamar1 also looking into hosting people in TLV for hands-on lab/help/feature dev/design/brainstorming in feb. with the devel team if there is interest 15:16:31 #chair aglitke 15:16:31 Current chairs: aglitke rbergeron 15:16:34 rbergeron, which list is most appropriate? 15:16:48 hit your up arrow, I'm not sure if it will take actions from a non-chair ;) 15:16:51 #action aglitke to send an email to the list to request remaining oVirt workshop presentations 15:17:00 thank you, sir! 15:17:24 itamar1: keep us up to date, i'm sure people would be interested in that 15:17:49 aglitke: I'm not sure about which list, TBH - maybe hit project-planning and board, since a lot of project-planning people were at theh conference 15:18:00 they should all be on the board list by now but just in case :) 15:18:02 alright, will do 15:18:07 coolio, thanks 15:18:20 anything else in events-land? 15:18:22 rbergeron: we can decide on the date to not conflict. will help to understand if people are interested, and any global national holidays to take into consideration date wise 15:19:11 gargya: let us know how your presentation goes - feedback, questions, etc. so we can try and take those things into account for future presentation-givers :) 15:19:21 itamar1: sounds good 15:19:51 sure 15:20:01 #topic Moving towards release 15:20:09 I know we're making progress towards having a release manager. 15:20:19 Is that official yet, or still in the works? 15:21:14 I also know we're still waiting to hear back on potential release dates and readiness from some companies. 15:21:21 Packaging and all that jazz. 15:21:30 * rbergeron looks around for comments, questions, fires 15:22:37 Nada? 15:22:51 #info No updates on progress here, will look for more next week. 15:22:52 rbergeron: amm, so when will we decide on the release manager? 15:23:16 oschreib: well, that's the answer I was looking for ;) I know there's been a nomination, but not sure how the rest of that process will proceed. 15:23:57 I guess we should decide about that. AFAIK I'm the only nominee, lol 15:24:00 what is the rest of the process? 15:24:13 oschreib: I think you are ;) 15:24:34 jumper45: not sure. Maybe someone should ask in a mail to the arch list? :) 15:24:45 * rbergeron looks around for volunteers to wrangle wrapping that up... 15:25:06 or pushing towards a "next step" .... 15:25:15 otherwise I'll send the email... ;) 15:25:17 rbergeron - ofer was suggested as release manager 15:25:53 itamar1: Yup. But how do we make that official? Do we need to vote, or does the board need to vote, or do we need a date by which people should nominate, etc? 15:26:31 if there is only one candidate, i don't see a need for a vote? 15:26:45 less someone will object by say next week 15:26:51 #info Ofer Schreiber is the only nominee right now. 15:26:54 I think that sounds reasonable. 15:27:01 By, say, prior to this meeting next week? 15:27:07 yes 15:27:09 * rbergeron looks around for nodding heads 15:27:15 * jumper45 nods 15:27:21 for rpms - ronen sent an email with links to an rpm based install guide. so no need to compile, build, etc. 15:27:45 it is still a moving target, but it should be easier to consume than the devel guideline 15:28:08 rpms include "jboss 5 as for ovirt in rpm form", vdsm, engine-core, webadmin, etc. 15:28:26 #agreed Any additional candidates for release mgr should step forward prior to this meeting next week, will agree on release manager and announce at next week's meeting. 15:28:58 #info re: releases: for rpms - ronen sent an email with links to an rpm based install guide. so no need to compile, build, etc. it is still a moving target, but it should be easier to consume than the devel guideline. rpms include "jboss 5 as for ovirt in rpm form", vdsm, engine-core, webadmin, etc. 15:29:15 should sub-project managers be nominated by then as well? Or does that come later? 15:30:24 jumper45: not sure. I would expect that would come later, or at least, following this. 15:31:00 * rbergeron looks around for other comments/questions on this topic before moving onwards 15:31:30 #topic FTP and Repository setup status 15:31:30 rbergeron - each subproject maintainers group need to provide release manager with their contact person 15:31:37 #undo 15:31:37 Removing item from minutes: 15:31:52 #info each subproject maintainer gropu should provide release manager with their main contact person 15:32:15 itamar1: should that person be named on each subproject's wiki page, as well? or at least on a release contacts wiki page? 15:32:27 Or let the release manager decide? :) 15:32:40 let's not make subprojecs page an active wiki - a release wiki can have them 15:32:54 release page on the wiki, per release 15:33:04 itamar1: what is actually a sub-project? mom? ovirt-config? 15:33:25 http://www.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/ 15:33:38 mom I'm not sure will be ready for the first version 15:34:07 #info release manager and subproject manager/contacts should be listed on a release wiki page, per release 15:34:10 as for others, each group should say "I'm ready on master / release branch", etc. 15:34:22 or "will be ready for the relevant date, per planning phase" 15:34:41 ok, thanks for clarification 15:35:06 doesn't matter if they are on same git or not - they need to sync to a reasonable stable state, then cherry pick for decent stability/maturity near release freeze 15:35:12 etc 15:35:48 correct on MOM... I am still working on vdsm integration. 15:36:55 * rbergeron nods 15:37:12 okay, anytihng else? /me will move on otherwise.... 15:38:54 #topic FTP and Repository setup status 15:39:10 * rbergeron isn't quite sure where this is. itamar1: do you know offhand? 15:39:18 well, what we discussed seemed to be working? 15:39:40 not sure it is accessible via ftp yet though 15:40:00 rbergeron: I guess it's about the "releases" directory on ovirt.org 15:40:07 a sec 15:40:20 http://ovirt.org/releases/ 15:40:26 http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/Installing_ovirt-engine_from_rpm 15:40:33 the only thing is that 0.0.1_0001-0/ in the base directory 15:40:34 covers: 15:40:35 wget http://www.ovirt.org/releases/nightly/fedora/16/ovirt-engine.repo -P /etc/yum.repos.d/ 15:40:39 should probably be cleaned up 15:40:57 sgordon: true 15:40:59 sgordon - that's on purpose till the rpm is more than a scratch one 15:41:08 * oschreib will erase that directory in a sec 15:41:12 heh, but isnt it under nightlies 15:41:14 I think that last week quaid was also going to ask the other distro folks to comment on repo setup details. 15:41:16 as per the instructions you just pasted 15:41:18 right 15:41:27 so why do we still need the top level one 15:41:44 i agreed with "right"... 15:41:59 ok, i thought you said it was on purpose 15:42:00 anyway 15:42:04 sgordon: done 15:42:08 and 15:42:08 http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/Installing_VDSM_from_rpm 15:42:16 who was actioning making an ovirt-release rpm to install the repo file? i know it was talked about 15:42:29 if the answer is nobody that seems like something i could do 15:42:47 why is it necessary? 15:42:49 sgordon - i think they went with a wget for the repo file instead of an rpm -i for an rpm doing the same 15:42:54 it's not *necessary* 15:43:03 but it's the way it's generally done and it's pretty easy to do 15:43:07 if the user will need to run "wget" anyway. what is the difference? 15:43:33 like i said 15:43:36 it's convention 15:44:03 could you please supply examples for projects that use this convention? 15:44:08 Fedora 15:44:20 it's also nice if you ever need to change the repo file for some reason 15:44:53 in order for it to be streamlined we'll need that rpm to be in Fedora's repository 15:45:18 until it is the case, its just another RPM the user will need to install. but if it'll make you happy, i have no objection 15:45:27 ... 15:45:27 sgordon: Error: ".." is not a valid command. 15:45:44 i dont see what the problem is, im just saying that is the way new repository files are generally distributed 15:45:53 fedora, rpmfusion, adobe's stuff, etc 15:47:30 sgordon: do you wish to create the said RPM or should i publish it? 15:47:38 i am happy to do it 15:48:28 sgordon: k, where will you place it? where should the spec file for the rpm reside? 15:48:51 #action sgordon to make an ovirt-release rpm to install the repo file 15:49:31 sgordon: if you don't know the answers yet, you might want to think about posting your thoughts on it to the mailing list (arch, I suppose) 15:49:37 i will 15:49:40 also i checked my logs 15:49:47 it was quaid who brought it up in a previous meeting 15:50:01 #action sgordon to take discussion re: ovirt-release rpm to mailing list, inc. where it will go, where should the spec file for rpm reside 15:51:32 Okay. Anything else on this topic? 15:51:34 sgordon: yeah, i think it was 15:51:59 well, i know it was, but I wasn't sure of the whole context from the minutes alone, and juggling typing here and reading old logs is Hard :) 15:52:16 yeah it's ok, it is not a particularly complicated task anyway 15:52:20 * rbergeron nods 15:52:21 so i will just check he hasn't done it 15:52:28 and if he hasn't then i will 15:52:36 #topic Any other topics for today? 15:52:45 yeah i had one action from last week 15:52:47 * rbergeron looks around for anything else that anyone wants to bring up before we close up. 15:52:49 which was the mailing list moderators 15:52:50 sure, go for it 15:52:52 * rbergeron nods 15:52:57 #topic Mailing list moderators 15:53:01 #chair sgordon 15:53:01 Current chairs: aglitke rbergeron sgordon 15:53:04 so the two responses i got were Ayal for the arch list 15:53:14 and Omer for the engine-devel list 15:53:23 and i myself would be happy to help mod the users list 15:53:47 so barring objections i just think we need whoever is the admin for those lists to add them as moderators? 15:53:55 Sure. 15:53:57 moderator is 99% about accepting emails from non members and making them members + auto discarding emails from spam 15:53:57 if everyone is happy with that i will send the request to infra@ 15:54:07 yeah i know :) 15:54:07 sgordon: I think that sounds dandy. 15:54:20 question 15:54:26 #info We have a few people hwo have volunteered to help moderate 15:54:30 yes? 15:54:38 is it possible to make multiple users admin, or must they share the admin password for the list? 15:54:50 #action sgordon to mail the infrastructure list re: adding people to be admins 15:54:51 i think they have to share 15:55:00 but you moderators are a second tier 15:55:04 *your moderators 15:55:12 itamar1: I think you can have multiple people moderating/approving emails 15:55:19 yeap 15:55:21 list owners 15:56:03 a moderator cant do *everything* the list admin can 15:56:13 mostly they can just approve/dump emails in the moderation queue 15:56:13 the admin can add more moderators, though. ;) 15:56:20 and add people to the white and black lists 15:56:24 if i recall correctly 15:56:31 please add to a wiki how to add a moderator then please. thanks 15:56:32 yup, I think that's correct. 15:56:52 ok, ovirt.org is just using mailman right? 15:56:57 sgordon: yup 15:56:59 yep 15:57:00 coolies 15:57:22 #action quaid to add info to wiki on how to add a moderator to a mailing list 15:57:38 itamar1: I assume you mean "what is the process to request additional moderators" and not "how to go in and physically add another moderator" 15:59:58 okay, anything else? 16:00:05 * rbergeron lights the fuse for end of meeting 16:00:52 Happy thanksgiving to the US folks, and ... happy a-few-days-with-less-email to everyone not in the US :) 16:00:57 Thanks for coming today, everyone! 16:01:12 #endmeeting